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	<title>Comments on: Google, the fallback for trackback?</title>
	<link>http://flowdelic.org/archives/2004/05/google-the-fallback-for-trackback/</link>
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		<title>by: Boris Mann</title>
		<link>http://flowdelic.org/archives/2004/05/google-the-fallback-for-trackback/#comment-14</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, why do we need trackback? I very much agree with John Gruber's thoughts on trackback:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://daringfireball.net/2003/06/take_your_trackbacks_and_dangle"&gt;http://daringfireball.net/2003/06/take&lt;em&gt;your&lt;/em&gt;trackbacks&lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt;dangle&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://daringfireball.net/2003/06/trackback_addenda"&gt;http://daringfireball.net/2003/06/trackback_addenda&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree that a "threaded" or otherwise centralized view of the flow of conversation would be incredible. But I don't want to shut out non-trackback using tools. The referrer is common across all web-platforms -- it's just links, after all!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That being said, for tools that don't do trackback, you can use Simpletracks: &lt;a href="http://kalsey.com/tools/trackback/"&gt;http://kalsey.com/tools/trackback/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I've written up these comments on my website as well, which doesn't do trackback: &lt;a href="http://www.bmannconsulting.com/node/view/1138"&gt;http://www.bmannconsulting.com/node/view/1138&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, why do we need trackback? I very much agree with John Gruber&#8217;s thoughts on trackback:</p>

<p><a href="http://daringfireball.net/2003/06/take_your_trackbacks_and_dangle">http://daringfireball.net/2003/06/take<em>your</em>trackbacks<em>and</em>dangle</a></p>

<p><a href="http://daringfireball.net/2003/06/trackback_addenda">http://daringfireball.net/2003/06/trackback_addenda</a></p>

<p>I agree that a &#8220;threaded&#8221; or otherwise centralized view of the flow of conversation would be incredible. But I don&#8217;t want to shut out non-trackback using tools. The referrer is common across all web-platforms &#8212; it&#8217;s just links, after all!</p>

<p>That being said, for tools that don&#8217;t do trackback, you can use Simpletracks: <a href="http://kalsey.com/tools/trackback/">http://kalsey.com/tools/trackback/</a></p>

<p>I&#8217;ve written up these comments on my website as well, which doesn&#8217;t do trackback: <a href="http://www.bmannconsulting.com/node/view/1138">http://www.bmannconsulting.com/node/view/1138</a></p>
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		<title>by: Steve Kirks</title>
		<link>http://flowdelic.org/archives/2004/05/google-the-fallback-for-trackback/#comment-15</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Mason:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;About the post--not all weblog publishing tools support Trackback, either by default or handling the URLs automagically.  I use Radio Userland (&lt;a href="http://radio.userland.com/)"&gt;http://radio.userland.com/)&lt;/a&gt; and it will read the source URL and look for a link reference to the source Trackback, but it's only had that feature for about six months.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;About me--I called you a couple of months ago after reviewing old mail from the late 1990s regarding a domain name you used to own.  We talked about weblogs then and I was disappointed when you didn't have one going.  I'm thrilled to have found you (via a weblog called Stupid Simple Blog--&lt;a href="http://www.stupidsimple.com/blog/)."&gt;http://www.stupidsimple.com/blog/).&lt;/a&gt;  I'm subscribed and welcome to the blogosphere.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;PS--Surf over to Technorati.  It's a Google for weblogs and more.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Steve Kirks&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mason:</p>

<p>About the post&#8211;not all weblog publishing tools support Trackback, either by default or handling the URLs automagically.  I use Radio Userland (<a href="http://radio.userland.com/)">http://radio.userland.com/)</a> and it will read the source URL and look for a link reference to the source Trackback, but it&#8217;s only had that feature for about six months.</p>

<p>About me&#8211;I called you a couple of months ago after reviewing old mail from the late 1990s regarding a domain name you used to own.  We talked about weblogs then and I was disappointed when you didn&#8217;t have one going.  I&#8217;m thrilled to have found you (via a weblog called Stupid Simple Blog&#8211;<a href="http://www.stupidsimple.com/blog/).">http://www.stupidsimple.com/blog/).</a>  I&#8217;m subscribed and welcome to the blogosphere.</p>

<p>PS&#8211;Surf over to Technorati.  It&#8217;s a Google for weblogs and more.</p>

<p>Steve Kirks</p>
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		<title>by: Jeremy C. Wright</title>
		<link>http://flowdelic.org/archives/2004/05/google-the-fallback-for-trackback/#comment-16</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Mason, a combination of Technorati (www.technorati.com), TTLB Ecosystem (www.truthlaidbear.com/ecosystem.php) and a customized Feedster (www.feedster.com) feed should keep you in the loop.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Personally I love trackback as it's responsive, not passive (unlike the methods above where I need to go search it out).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mason, a combination of Technorati (www.technorati.com), TTLB Ecosystem (www.truthlaidbear.com/ecosystem.php) and a customized Feedster (www.feedster.com) feed should keep you in the loop.</p>

<p>Personally I love trackback as it&#8217;s responsive, not passive (unlike the methods above where I need to go search it out).</p>
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		<title>by: Mason</title>
		<link>http://flowdelic.org/archives/2004/05/google-the-fallback-for-trackback/#comment-17</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Steve -- thanks for the pointer to Technorati. Very cool and much needed. Also - a public thank you for tracking me down and calling me a few months ago. Our exchange got me thinking "hey, why don't I have a blog?". &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Boris -- I don't buy the argument that because not everyone can play in the sandbox, no one should. There are obvious benefits to linking everything together. We should figure out how to make that happen -- effortlessly. Agreed, trackback is not ideal. While I really dig Technorati -- I'd prefer a distributed design to a centralized one. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Refer logs sound promising, but I'm already getting some garbage in my logs -- I expect that to get worse. Need a way to filter that out. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The other issue I have with referrers is the referrer doesn't tell me which post was referred to, just the page. But, yeah TBL was thinking way ahead by building referer into the HTTP header. (To bad it's misspelled!) We should use it. It's about time it got used for something more than tracking ad click-thrus and search rankings.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8212; thanks for the pointer to Technorati. Very cool and much needed. Also - a public thank you for tracking me down and calling me a few months ago. Our exchange got me thinking &#8220;hey, why don&#8217;t I have a blog?&#8221;. </p>

<p>Boris &#8212; I don&#8217;t buy the argument that because not everyone can play in the sandbox, no one should. There are obvious benefits to linking everything together. We should figure out how to make that happen &#8212; effortlessly. Agreed, trackback is not ideal. While I really dig Technorati &#8212; I&#8217;d prefer a distributed design to a centralized one. </p>

<p>Refer logs sound promising, but I&#8217;m already getting some garbage in my logs &#8212; I expect that to get worse. Need a way to filter that out. </p>

<p>The other issue I have with referrers is the referrer doesn&#8217;t tell me which post was referred to, just the page. But, yeah TBL was thinking way ahead by building referer into the HTTP header. (To bad it&#8217;s misspelled!) We should use it. It&#8217;s about time it got used for something more than tracking ad click-thrus and search rankings.</p>
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		<title>by: Kirk Munro</title>
		<link>http://flowdelic.org/archives/2004/05/google-the-fallback-for-trackback/#comment-18</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;FYI, NewsGator + Outlook 2003 = threaded blog aggregation. You just sort your blogs into whatever folders you want and for those blogs you want threaded you just sort the items in the folder by conversation.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, NewsGator + Outlook 2003 = threaded blog aggregation. You just sort your blogs into whatever folders you want and for those blogs you want threaded you just sort the items in the folder by conversation.</p>
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